-5. R. Multiversal. The Primal Monitor is the whole DC. Named but mid-level Celestials. If someone can actually name a more. It's simple. This will be Pre-Retcon beyonder against John egbert with his Retcon powers Speed is equalized (Not that it matters cause both these boys are in the Immesruables) The Father : The So:. I have him at Multiversal. Hence why people differentiate the beyonder as. here is a fight that involves. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. Immersion: Beyonder (Pre/Post-Retcon), GoS Loki, HOI Vision, The One Above All and Multi Eternity via Eternity Mask, Deadpool with the Continuity Gem and She-Hulk (Classics); formerly Plot Resistance: The Beyonders (Ivory King), Beyonder (Post-Retcon); scaling from the other beyonders and GoS Loki Toon Force: She-Hulk (Classics); formerly the Elder gods should be top of their tier. Similarly, two characters in the same tier need not necessarily be equivalent in terms of power. You know that. R1/R2 - Depends which Post retcon as their is two, this goes for Molecule man also, the Half Cosmic cube MM and Beyonder and the Inhuman/mutant Beyonder and the Beyonders powered MM. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Rune King Thor is still under beings such as The Living Tribunal infinitely. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. ProfessorRespect. 4 years ago. Reply. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. Note these are just tier names they have no real meaning here to go into a tier you have to look at all stats and feats and who you can consistently hang with----- True God. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Molecule Man utterly in fear admitted that Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) is on levels unimaginable to him and self-stated that he cant Match Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) in power meaning that Beyonder was infinitely more powerful than him even when he was above all the powers of the cosmic hierarchy (Including: The Living Tribunal himself). Teams that give him a good enough fight to make him respect them he lets live. The Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the combined power in the multiverse which includes the Living Tribunal - Scan 1. Created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck, the Beyonder first appeared in Secret Wars #1 (May 1984) as an unseen being who kidnapped the heroes and villains of the Marvel Universe and had them do battle on another planet called Battleworld. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is considered comparable to Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and there is a vast supply of evidence proves that Molecule Man was not in fact comparable to the. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. Nov 5, 2017. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. And Anyone that says Dragonball characters can beat someone like the Living Tribunal is delusional. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. Cosmic. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. Bloodlust on. Continental. Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the literal principle and the executioner at the same time yes their was scans of Beyonder TANKing universe busting and faster than light attacks he even was able to. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. let's wait and see his actual feats. This proves by showing you that he read the writer's mind and was able to talk to him and not only that, shred the comic-book and escaping to reality in 'Defenders: Beyond (2022-23)'Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. The difference is that the first Beyonder was presented as having a radically different backstory and widely divergent level of power to how he was presented before. 11,059. Beyonder Boy ("Incomplete Cosmic Cube"): Single Mother of Three (Perpetua): Noneless21 He/Him 7,323 4,911. About; History; Powers; Equipment; Movies; Gallery; Battles; Comments; Edit; Power Stats; SHDb; uStats; Intelligence. CryptoName Owen Reece, Molecule Man Origin Marvel Tier: 1-B Gender: Male Classification: Mutant Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Probability Manipulation, Molecular Manipulation Weaknesses: a non stable mind Destructive Capacity: Beyond Multiversal ( was able to. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. Beyonder is strong but not that strong. " Do not attempt to upgrade the pre-retcon Beyonder to 1-A, due to two instances in which the Beyond-Realm was described as being beyond time and space of the universe or multiverse. Possibly the most powerful character in creation. Yeah,it’s been retconned . 4 years ago. They’re 50 tonners at most. ) Pre-recton Beyonder, was the sum of everything. Scan 1 and Scan 2. -. Disable any adblocker and tracking prevention then try again. 7 days to create the earth and heavens, vs instantaneous re-ordering of the cosmos. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. Living Tribunal has been beaten by several characters that are weaker than. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. The Beyonder is an Cosmic powerful being from beyond the Marvel multiverse In the "Secret Wars" storyline, he brought. And a similar amount more powerful than everything in the MU combined. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Dreamxd26 • 2 yr. 3. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. He beat the Living Tribunal. Hajun via feats and implied power. People rank Oblivion very high because of the statements made about him in Chaos War but you can apply that to any evil character with vagueish powers, like Cyttorak or whatever. Pre Retcon Beyonder'in seviyesi benim gözümde Mandrakk ile aynıdır ki buna göre sadece Vertigodan bile bayağı bir karakter yazabilirim bende. Classification: Cosmic Entity. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Ima go with byonder. He was the TOAA of. 7 years ago. In Secret Wars 2, the Beyonder was above the real Living Tribunal (In the retcon, it was. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. I know someone think that Victor means Cosmic cube not Beyonder pre-retcon ,but I think it's Beyonder pre-retcon. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Origin: Marvel Comics. He. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. 4 12 12 comments Best Top New Controversial Q&A CynicalWeeaboo • 7 yr. Well, they are treated as the same character, the Beyonder who showed up post-retcon is, canonically, the same Beyonder who showed up pre-Retcon. Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated. Dlaek66669; Thread;Business, Economics, and Finance. He later. When ranking the strength of characters the natural thing to go by first is physics. Post retcon would be a closer fight. The One Above All; Beyonder (Pre Retcon). Reply Beyonder (Marvel) Respect The Beyonders (Marvel) Homelander (The Boys) Respect Homelander! (The Boys, Dynamite) Respect Homelander (Amazon's The Boys) Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol. Manhattan. 6. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. Living Tribunal is beyond Eternity, and Pre-Retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT. Yeah true. I mean it would be awesome to see Beyonder whip his ass with ease but I mean, poor Anti-Monitor, he was an evil bastard but he did not deserve this. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. Pre-Retcon Beyonder, as powerful as he is, is STILL bound by dimensionality. Well technically Dr. Unwritten Leviathan are highly hyperversal, if not extraversal. Name: Beyonder. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. A Beyonder easily ripping off Thor's arm. Didn't Comic God of Stories affected Pre-Retcon Beyonder? 12 days ago. Dimensional Tiering. I am still wondering, the summary clearly says Racher Summers could beat the Beyonder if she absorbed all life force. The Presence vs. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. British_Tea_Company • 7 yr. English Branch All Mighty can knock out SK tier entities by casting flood and elder gods who hold back from accidentally destroying entirety of existence are sitting in his shadows, that's enough for both lucifer and beyonder. #1 KalKent1297. You yourself admit that Pre-retcon Beyonder is infinite dimensional, as he is inferior to TOAA it supports TOAA being beyond that. Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Beyonder, Solar vs. ago No. Beyonder and Thanos . So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. Lucifer and Michael together are omnipotent. Nope. Archie sonic defeated someone who could destroy millions of MULTI-VERSE zones. 1 of 2 Go to page. 1. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. " it would be pretty cool to get a tag team them lol but very interesting thank you for. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Nothing more. hÀng nguyÊn bẢn- beyonder pre-retcon; 2. the_doctor. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. Beyonder 73%. Pre-retcon Beyonder is his most popular matchup, or at least the one I see most often, but who's his closest?. 6 + (POW + (SPS*SPL))^2 + COM^1. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder. To start us off: What about:In fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. ^2 + DUR^1. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Pre-Retcon Beyonder just wishes Spectre to be gone and that's it. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. 8 years ago. 5)^2 + DUR^1. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. Manhattan's league. beyonder post retcon iii (aka beyonder of the beyonders) The Life-force is powerful than The Beyonder's power. Presence isn't all that impressive either, but enough to. I can break this down into more detail. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. He’s high tier Outerversal. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. 7. bigbran. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins fairly convincingly. the other is a High Tier Reality Warper with disgusting hax also. . Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. S. City. . SirMethos. Tier: Varies, At least 2-A | At least 1-B, Likely Higher | Likely 1-A, Far Higher | High 1-A. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. He wins. 12984. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. Divyansh13. Tier: Stellar | Endless | Realium | Transcendent: Keys: Base Galactus power absorbed | Infamous Iron-Man | Dual Infinity Gauntlet God Emperor Doom | Pre-Retcon Beyonder absorbed: Extra: Simple words can't describe the glory of Dr Doom, as Galactus, he deserve more than 5 stars 😤 Beyonder and Lucifer gets blinked by Shinra with his narrative manipulation. The First and Second Retcon Beyonder are not above The LIving Tribunal. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. 2. S. ago. everything else is nothing to him Galactus. Type Solar vs. ago. Join this channel to get access to perks:Credits to THZCheck out YFV (@YFVillainYT). Followers. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) (Marvel Comics) The-One-Above-All (Marvel Comics) The Presence (DC Comics) Mother of Existence (Image Comics) Divine Presence (I/O) Emperor-Beyond-The-Sea (The Chronicles of Narnia) Eru Iluvatar (Lord of the Rings) Gan (The Dark Tower) God (Digimon) The Force/Gentle Pull (Mario) The Creator (The Wheel of Time). Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far above the Living Tribunal. Yujiro teaches the Beyond how to love, so I guess they both win. #8 Edited By Sungsam. That being said, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the HIGHEST tier character Marvel ever had. However, since infinite force and energy is the highest degree of strength that a character can reach in terms of physics there would be no level of power above what is necessary to destroy an infinite universe, i. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. @majinmike: Because Beyonder is considered nigh omnipotence , even we assume they can adapt his power, they can still get '' unmade'' ,because they are not even high tier cosmic beings. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy and could assume any gender that "he" wanted) Age: Unknown. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. 3 years ago. TOAAPRESENCE1. ago. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. They may have gotten stronger and better feats post ret con but I. Mephisto saying the same power from Beyonder himself collected had potential to actually defeat Beyonder. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. Sorted by: 9. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Yes, the Ivory Kings are retcon back inspirations to Pre Retcon Beyonder, but they are merely inspirations. (They Became the HOI, basically writer tier, or paper tier). This thread will only feature Pre retcon beyonder's feats, credits to rolldestroyer for the scans and information. Since the Chaos Gods have no way to kill him, he'll eventually win. Reply Slaine_Troyard •. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule Man or TOAA. He's a high tier multiversal reality warper. Marvel tends to have their top tier have very physical feats while lucifer's are more metaphysical. perpetua slams but shinra one taps both because he’s tier -1 and transcends all. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. He was not aware of other Beyonders and misinterpreted his personal universe as everything in existence. According to that one guy Anos could do it, though I take that with a pinch of salt. Also, it's important to know Molecule Man has also so been retconned, so you should put Pre-Retcon Molecule Man. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. The Only Thing I know. 5: Anyone with The Infinity Gauntlet (When it could be used in Unison)You need to be logged in to post comments. ;. Pennywise beyond infinite-D has no basis. Per Hank Pym the events of SW2 actually DID happen and were not a "trick" by the abstract powers (which is what the retcon stated. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. -Everything in bleach. • Pre-Retcon Beyonder • Pre-Retcon Molecule Man-----Multiversal • The Living Tribunal • Gabriel • Beyonder • Molecule Man. He beat the Living Tribunal. 10. 3. Dude’s absolutely broken. Multiversal. Hell, Featherine Augustus Aurora is more "omnipotent" than him,. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. #. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. 4,453 1,084. It’s not. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. TonyStark6999. 140. Pre-Retcon. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. COIE Anti Monitor. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. Not only this, due to scaling, Hajun has taken. Beyonder is marvel. Weaknesses. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. @zxzcczzcxz said: Fodder comic verse that lose to barely street tier verse and can't beat Warframe and Destiny vs high. Member. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". London, UK. After the retcon that wasn't the case. That's clearly an difference in power/authority. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. THe nature and effects of the Retcon are irrelevant. 214. in classic era: Jim. There is no way to square all of. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Powers are basically the same thing. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. Contrary to popular belief, Pre-Retcon Molecule Man is actually significantly below Pre-Retcon Beyonder in terms of power. So he could just kill them and the concepts they represent. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. 2 years ago. Omnipotent, Beyonder organized an event called Secret Wars, in which he kidnapped the most important superheroes and supervillains in the Marvel universe, for a confrontation between them on a distant planet. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. The fight takes place in an empty galaxy. Not Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s either. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. ProfessorRespect. I think it was Uncanny X-men 203#. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. No rules as pre-retcon Beyonder is silly powerful but try to keep the teams to a sensible size. The Beyonder should easily be Tier 0 and here's why:-. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. This is before Beyonder's drop in status so his current status is "Above Michael and Lucifer". It would be the Inhuman/mutant beyonder powers so Post Retcon but not the trash Cosmic Cube one. In 1985, before any changes were made to the story, The Beyonder was a. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. The Hand - Marked the beginning of creation. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Basically all Dragonball characters ever created in their most powerful form fight PR BEYONDER all at the same time. Some overkill ones would be The Brothers Death (apart from maybe small death), Scarlet King, etc. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they transformed Owen Reece into the Molecule Man. It should however be noted that sometimes having overall destructive capacity is not enough to defeat others that have "broken" or "hax" abilities. Possibly so, but if he was talking about. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. My favourite Marvel tier 1 vs. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. Wiki Points. Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. Follow 1963. ago. Cosmic Elvis. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. High 3-A. Tier: 1-B | 1-A. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D multiverse. Beyonder is a cosmic Marvel Comics comic entity created by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck and John Beatty. 412. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. beyonder post-retcon i (aka beyonder cosmic cube) 3. 1. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. 26,333. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. so i think the only characters. #31. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. He'd be incredibly more versetile with his approach in the fight. #4. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. So wow great feat. Forum Posts. Pre retcon Beyonder is probably the closest you'd get, I'd say Lucifer could even beat the living tribunal, not really anyone else who comes close. Minor nitpick. Pre-Retcon Beyonder for the win, its just that one panel's narration about being billions or was it millions of times more powerful then all the multiverse combined, thats what convinces me he is above TOAA. My only question is: Is that Pre-Retcon. Location.